Why Detroit's Villages Want More Neighbors

Why Detroit's Villages Want More Neighbors

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What does it take to get more of the things we want in our neighborhoods? People tell me all the time they want more grocery stores, local businesses, and better services in the city of Detroit. Mac Farr's answer starts with more neighbors. But he's clear that growth also means helping the people who already live here stay.

I sat down with the executive director of the Villages Community Development Corporation to talk about this stretch of Detroit's east side, from Mack to the river, between Mount Elliott and St. Jean.

We get into why the organization is pro-growth, and how that fits with preserving affordable housing and helping families keep their homes. Mac shares the work behind Keep It in the Family, a program that helps residents straighten out inherited property ownership so they can access home repair assistance and pass their homes on.

We also talk about what's happening in East Village and Little Village, why development moves differently just a few blocks away in Islandview, and how longtime neighbors came up with the new North Village name.

Plus, we dig into the city processes that make life harder for small developers and business owners. If you need an army of lawyers and consultants just to get through the system, who gets a chance to build?

And we close with Mac's suggestion for an afternoon exploring the Villages by bike.

Find the Villages CDC's newsletter and development information at https://www.thevillagesofdetroit.com/

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Key takeaways

• The Villages covers Detroit's east side between Mack Avenue and the Detroit River, from Mount Elliott to St. Jean.
• The population in this area dropped from 65,000 in 1960 to around 15,000 today, driving the CDC's pro-growth strategy.
• Pro-growth initiatives are paired with resident retention efforts, such as housing preservation and city infrastructure improvements.
• The Keep It in the Family program helps residents establish clear home title deeds so they can access repair assistance and pass down wealth.
• Cumbersome city permitting, zoning, and licensing processes disproportionately hinder small local developers compared to large firms.

Highlights

• 1:42 — Introducing Mac Farr and the Villages CDC
• 5:10 — The argument for an explicitly pro-growth CDC
• 9:36 — Analyzing population decline on Detroit's East Side
• 17:51 — The resident-led origin of the North Village name
• 20:05 — How Keep It in the Family helps homeowners keep property
• 24:27 — How city administrative processes impact small developers
• 27:34 — Mac Farr's recommended bike tour route

00:00:00 Introduction to Detroit's Villages
00:01:42 Welcome Mac Farr of Villages CDC
00:02:05 Defining the Boundaries of The Villages
00:05:10 Why the Villages CDC Is Pro-Growth
00:09:36 Addressing Historic Population Loss in Detroit
00:12:28 Development Trends in East Village
00:17:51 Resident-Driven Naming of North Village
00:20:05 Keep It in the Family Program
00:24:27 Overcoming City Bureaucracy for Small Developers
00:27:34 Touring The Villages by Bike

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