One of Detroit’s most well-known and well-loved local businesses is Avalon International Breads.

So for episode 500 of the podcast is my conversation with owner and co-founder Jackie Victor.

The bread in their ovens, like the business, is slowly beginning to rise again. But what shape will the future take? And how might they get there in these uncertain times? 

And when might we see chocolate chip sea salt cookies again?

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